Subhāsitajayasutta
The demon lord Vepacitti proposes to Sakka that they engage in a battle of wits in debate rather than war. Vepacitti speaks in praise of forceful punishment, while Sakka stands up for patience and forgiveness.
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1. Paṭhamavagga
Chapter One
Subhāsitajayasutta
Victory by Good Speech
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Sāvatthinidānaṁ.
At Sāvatthī.
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“Bhūtapubbaṁ, bhikkhave, devāsurasaṅgāmo samupabyūḷho ahosi.
“Once upon a time, mendicants, a battle was fought between the gods and the titans.
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Atha kho, bhikkhave, vepacitti asurindo sakkaṁ devānamindaṁ etadavoca:
Then Vepacitti, lord of titans, said to Sakka, lord of gods,
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‘hotu, devānaminda, subhāsitena jayo’ti.
‘Lord of gods, let there be victory by fine words!’
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‘Hotu, vepacitti, subhāsitena jayo’ti.
‘Vepacitti, let there be victory by fine words!’
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Atha kho, bhikkhave, devā ca asurā ca pārisajje ṭhapesuṁ:
Then the gods and the titans appointed a panel of judges, saying,
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‘ime no subhāsitadubbhāsitaṁ ājānissantī’ti.
‘These will understand our good and bad statements.’
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Atha kho, bhikkhave, vepacitti asurindo sakkaṁ devānamindaṁ etadavoca:
Then Vepacitti, lord of titans, said to Sakka, lord of gods,
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‘bhaṇa, devānaminda, gāthan’ti.
‘Lord of gods, recite a verse!’
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Evaṁ vutte, bhikkhave, sakko devānamindo vepacittiṁ asurindaṁ etadavoca:
When he said this, Sakka said to him,
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‘tumhe khvettha, vepacitti, pubbadevā.
‘Vepacitti, you are the elder gods here.
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Bhaṇa, vepacitti, gāthan’ti.
Recite a verse.’
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Evaṁ vutte, bhikkhave, vepacitti asurindo imaṁ gāthaṁ abhāsi:
So Vepacitti spoke this verse:
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‘Bhiyyo bālā pabhijjeyyuṁ,
‘Fools would vent even more
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no cassa paṭisedhako;
if there’s no one to put a stop to them.
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Tasmā bhusena daṇḍena,
So an intelligent person should stop
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dhīro bālaṁ nisedhaye’ti.
a fool with forceful punishment.’
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Bhāsitāya kho pana, bhikkhave, vepacittinā asurindena gāthāya asurā anumodiṁsu, devā tuṇhī ahesuṁ.
The titans applauded Vepacitti’s verse, while the gods kept silent.
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Atha kho, bhikkhave, vepacitti asurindo sakkaṁ devānamindaṁ etadavoca:
Then Vepacitti said to Sakka,
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‘bhaṇa, devānaminda, gāthan’ti.
‘Lord of gods, recite a verse!’
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Evaṁ vutte, bhikkhave, sakko devānamindo imaṁ gāthaṁ abhāsi:
So Sakka spoke this verse:
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‘Etadeva ahaṁ maññe,
‘I think that this is the only way
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bālassa paṭisedhanaṁ;
to put a stop to a fool,
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Paraṁ saṅkupitaṁ ñatvā,
when you know that the other is upset,
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yo sato upasammatī’ti.
be mindful and stay calm.’
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Bhāsitāya kho pana, bhikkhave, sakkena devānamindena gāthāya, devā anumodiṁsu, asurā tuṇhī ahesuṁ.
The gods applauded Sakka’s verse, while the titans kept silent.
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Atha kho, bhikkhave, sakko devānamindo vepacittiṁ asurindaṁ etadavoca:
Then Sakka said to Vepacitti,
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‘bhaṇa, vepacitti, gāthan’ti.
‘Vepacitti, recite a verse!’
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Evaṁ vutte, bhikkhave, vepacitti asurindo imaṁ gāthaṁ abhāsi:
So Vepacitti spoke this verse:
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‘Etadeva titikkhāya,
‘In this mere endurance, Vāsava,
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vajjaṁ passāmi vāsava;
I see a flaw.
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Yadā naṁ maññati bālo,
When a fool thinks,
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bhayā myāyaṁ titikkhati;
“He endures me out of fear,”
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Ajjhāruhati dummedho,
the simpleton will go after you even harder,
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gova bhiyyo palāyinan’ti.
like a cow chasing someone who runs away.’
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Bhāsitāya kho pana, bhikkhave, vepacittinā asurindena gāthāya asurā anumodiṁsu, devā tuṇhī ahesuṁ.
The titans applauded Vepacitti’s verse, while the gods kept silent.
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Atha kho, bhikkhave, vepacitti asurindo sakkaṁ devānamindaṁ etadavoca:
Then Vepacitti said to Sakka,
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‘bhaṇa, devānaminda, gāthan’ti.
‘Lord of gods, recite a verse!’
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Evaṁ vutte, bhikkhave, sakko devānamindo imā gāthāyo abhāsi:
So Sakka spoke this verse:
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‘Kāmaṁ maññatu vā mā vā,
‘Let him think this if he wishes, or not—
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bhayā myāyaṁ titikkhati;
“He endures me out of fear.”
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Sadatthaparamā atthā,
For the highest goal, one’s own,
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khantyā bhiyyo na vijjati.
naught better than patience is found.
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Yo have balavā santo,
When a strong person
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dubbalassa titikkhati;
endures a weakling,
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Tamāhu paramaṁ khantiṁ,
they call that the ultimate patience,
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niccaṁ khamati dubbalo.
for a weakling must always be patient.
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Abalaṁ taṁ balaṁ āhu,
The strength of folly
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yassa bālabalaṁ balaṁ;
is really just weakness, they say.
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Balassa dhammaguttassa,
But no one can challenge a person
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paṭivattā na vijjati.
who’s strong, guarded by the teaching.
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Tasseva tena pāpiyo,
When you get angry at an angry person
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yo kuddhaṁ paṭikujjhati;
you just make things worse for yourself.
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Kuddhaṁ appaṭikujjhanto,
When you don’t get angry at an angry person
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saṅgāmaṁ jeti dujjayaṁ.
you win a battle hard to win.
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Ubhinnamatthaṁ carati,
When you know that the other is angry,
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attano ca parassa ca;
you act for the good of both
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Paraṁ saṅkupitaṁ ñatvā,
yourself and the other
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yo sato upasammati.
if you’re mindful and stay calm.
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Ubhinnaṁ tikicchantānaṁ,
People inexpert in the teaching
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attano ca parassa ca;
consider one who heals both
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Janā maññanti bāloti,
oneself and the other
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ye dhammassa akovidā’ti.
to be a fool.’
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Bhāsitāsu kho pana, bhikkhave, sakkena devānamindena gāthāsu, devā anumodiṁsu, asurā tuṇhī ahesuṁ.
The gods applauded Sakka’s verses, while the titans kept silent.
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Atha kho, bhikkhave, devānañca asurānañca pārisajjā etadavocuṁ:
Then the panel of judges consisting of both gods and titans said this,
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‘bhāsitā kho vepacittinā asurindena gāthāyo.
‘The verses spoken by Vepacitti
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Tā ca kho sadaṇḍāvacarā sasatthāvacarā, iti bhaṇḍanaṁ iti viggaho iti kalaho.
evoke punishment and violence. That’s how you get fights, arguments, and quarrels.
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Bhāsitā kho sakkena devānamindena gāthāyo.
The verses spoken by Sakka
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Tā ca kho adaṇḍāvacarā asatthāvacarā, iti abhaṇḍanaṁ iti aviggaho iti akalaho.
don’t evoke punishment and violence. That’s how you stay free of fights, arguments, and quarrels.
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Sakkassa devānamindassa subhāsitena jayo’ti.
Sakka, lord of gods, wins victory by fine words!’
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Iti kho, bhikkhave, sakkassa devānamindassa subhāsitena jayo ahosī”ti.
And that’s how Sakka came to win victory by fine words.”
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