Pasūrasutta
To Pasūra on Debate
The drawbacks of engaging in debates, for winners and losers alike.
- 0.1
Sutta Nipāta 4.8
Anthology of Discourses 4.8
Pasūrasutta
With Pasūra
- 1.1
Idheva suddhī iti vādayanti,
“Here alone is purity,” they say,
- 1.2
Nāññesu dhammesu visuddhimāhu;
denying that there is purification in other teachings.
- 1.3
Yaṁ nissitā tattha subhaṁ vadānā,
Speaking of the beauty
in that which they depend on, - 1.4
Paccekasaccesu puthū niviṭṭhā.
each one is dogmatic about
their own idiosyncratic interpretation. - 2.1
Te vādakāmā parisaṁ vigayha,
Desiring debate, they plunge into an assembly,
- 2.2
Bālaṁ dahantī mithu aññamaññaṁ;
where each takes the other as a fool.
- 2.3
Vadanti te aññasitā kathojjaṁ,
Relying on others they state their contention,
- 2.4
Pasaṁsakāmā kusalā vadānā.
desiring praise while claiming to be skilled.
- 3.1
Yutto kathāyaṁ parisāya majjhe,
Addicted to debating in the midst of the assembly,
- 3.2
Pasaṁsamicchaṁ vinighāti hoti;
their need for praise makes them nervous.
- 3.3
Apāhatasmiṁ pana maṅku hoti,
But when they’re repudiated they get embarrassed;
- 3.4
Nindāya so kuppati randhamesī.
upset at criticism, they find fault in others.
- 4.1
Yamassa vādaṁ parihīnamāhu,
If their doctrine is said to be weak,
- 4.2
Apāhataṁ pañhavimaṁsakāse;
and judges declare it repudiated,
- 4.3
Paridevati socati hīnavādo,
the loser weeps and wails,
- 4.4
Upaccagā manti anutthunāti.
moaning, “They beat me.”
- 5.1
Ete vivādā samaṇesu jātā,
When these disputes come up among ascetics,
- 5.2
Etesu ugghātinighāti hoti;
they get excited or dejected.
- 5.3
Etampi disvā virame kathojjaṁ,
Seeing this, refrain from contention,
- 5.4
Na haññadatthatthi pasaṁsalābhā.
for the only purpose is praise and profit.
- 6.1
Pasaṁsito vā pana tattha hoti,
But if, having declared their doctrine,
- 6.2
Akkhāya vādaṁ parisāya majjhe;
they are praised there in the midst of the assembly,
- 6.3
So hassatī unnamatī ca tena,
they laugh and gloat because of it,
- 6.4
Pappuyya tamatthaṁ yathā mano ahu.
having got what they wanted.
- 7.1
Yā unnatī sāssa vighātabhūmi,
Their pride is their downfall,
- 7.2
Mānātimānaṁ vadate paneso;
yet they speak from conceit and arrogance.
- 7.3
Etampi disvā na vivādayetha,
Seeing this, one ought not dispute,
- 7.4
Na hi tena suddhiṁ kusalā vadanti.
for those who are skilled say this is no way to purity.
- 8.1
Sūro yathā rājakhādāya puṭṭho,
As a warrior, after feasting on royal food,
- 8.2
Abhigajjameti paṭisūramicchaṁ;
goes roaring, looking for someone to fight—
- 8.3
Yeneva so tena palehi sūra,
go off and find an opponent, Sūra,
- 8.4
Pubbeva natthi yadidaṁ yudhāya.
for here, as before, there is no one to combat.
- 9.1
Ye diṭṭhimuggayha vivādayanti,
When someone disputes about a view they’ve adopted,
- 9.2
Idameva saccanti ca vādayanti;
saying, “This is the only truth,”
- 9.3
Te tvaṁ vadassū na hi tedha atthi,
say to them, “Here you’ll have no adversary
- 9.4
Vādamhi jāte paṭisenikattā.
when a dispute has come up.”
- 10.1
Visenikatvā pana ye caranti,
There are those who live far from the crowd,
- 10.2
Diṭṭhīhi diṭṭhiṁ avirujjhamānā;
not countering views with view.
- 10.3
Tesu tvaṁ kiṁ labhetho pasūra,
Who is there to argue with you, Pasūra,
- 10.4
Yesīdha natthī paramuggahītaṁ.
among those who grasp nothing here as the highest?
- 11.1
Atha tvaṁ pavitakkamāgamā,
And so you come along speculating,
- 11.2
Manasā diṭṭhigatāni cintayanto;
thinking up theories in your mind.
- 11.3
Dhonena yugaṁ samāgamā,
Now that you’ve challenged
someone who is cleansed, - 11.4
Na hi tvaṁ sakkhasi sampayātaveti.
you’ll not be able to respond.
- 11.5
Pasūrasuttaṁ aṭṭhamaṁ.
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